Canon Prima inks

Are the new Canon Chromalife Prima inks for the ip5200 printer dye based
or pigmented? Also is anyone using these inks/printer and have any
comments to make please.

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David G
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David G wrote:

> Are the new Canon Chromalife Prima inks for the ip5200 printer dye based

YES

> or pigmented?

YES

> Also is anyone using these inks/printer and have any comments to make
> please.
>
THE LARGE BLACK TANK IS PIGMENT. THE REST ARE DYE. BE SURE TO USED
CANON INK SO YOU DO NOT SCREW UP YOUR PRINTER.

David G <notreallyhere@sure> wrote in news:44285a4a$0$5461$bb8e7a08
@news.usenetcompany.com:

> Are the new Canon Chromalife Prima inks for the ip5200 printer dye based
> or pigmented? Also is anyone using these inks/printer and have any
> comments to make please.
>

Depends on where you are, there hard to come by in AU but have appeared on
wholesalers sites in the last couple days.

356800 I made a post on this (ip6600D (CLI-8) Ink Information), and some
locations of where you can get it has been posted, so I suggest you check
out that thread.

The PGI-5BK is the same as BCI-3e, BCI-8, BC-23, PG-40, PG-50

The chip is an unresolved issue, but will work anyway at the expence of
voiding warranty, Theres nothing available yet, I am looking for the
systems flaws at the moment, but there seems to be a bit more involved in
getting around it than I hoped, just give the scene some time on it. the
biggest thing against it is the copyright on the chip.

I will be converting this printer to be CIS soon, as soon as my ink turns
up, until then, untested with other ink, but plenty are running there
printers fine on aftermarket inks.

Cheers.

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:34:01 +0100, David G wrote:
> Are the new Canon Chromalife Prima inks for the ip5200 printer dye based
> or pigmented? Also is anyone using these inks/printer and have any
> comments to make please.

Its CLI-8 is cye based. The PGI black is pigmented.

Nice printer, good quality, but more expensive cartridges and no real
3rd party cartridges - thus printing is rather expensive. You may refill
or use 3rd party cartridges where you keep an original chip. This will
disable the emtpry cartridges verification.

Thus the iP4000/5000 where the best choice before, while the iP5200
could be replaced by some Epson, too.

- Martin

Martin Trautmann wrote:

> Its CLI-8 is cye based. The PGI black is pigmented.
>
> Nice printer, good quality, but more expensive cartridges and no real
> 3rd party cartridges - thus printing is rather expensive. You may refill
> or use 3rd party cartridges where you keep an original chip. This will
> disable the emtpry cartridges verification.
>
> Thus the iP4000/5000 where the best choice before, while the iP5200
> could be replaced by some Epson, too.
>
> - Martin

Thanks All for the feedback.

I want to get away from Epson. They are good when they work, but I have
spent so much time and money on cleaning cycles over the years that I
want to have a change. From what I have read the Canon 5200 comes out
well. Toms Hardware have done a report comparing it to the HP8250. The
Canon is slightly cheaper to run. See here

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...et/page15.html


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David G
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:05:25 +0100, David G wrote:
> Toms Hardware have done a report comparing it to the HP8250. The
> Canon is slightly cheaper to run. See here
>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...et/page15.html

Difficult to compare - it always depends on the numbers that you assume.

Example: Canon specs 360 pages of BW text prints (5% coverage). For a
recommended price of $16.25 that's 4.5 cents/page. Tom names 0.02 cts

For A4 photos he names $1.20 - how/why? Spec is 490 pages @ 5%. Real
tests I know are 69 pages. This would be $14.25 * 4 / 69 = $0.82 / page

Is it fair to compare a 4-color Pixma against an 8-color HP?

It's difficult to accept general price assumptions, as long as you don't
add your own priorities. Example: when you refill Canon's or HP's
cartridges, the price may be drop to 1/10. Canon's price is around
$1000/litre, while other sources are $100 or less. This would be weekly
refilling for around 18 months (which is a recommended life time of
the ink).

- Martin

Martin Trautmann wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:05:25 +0100, David G wrote:
>
>
>> Toms Hardware have done a report comparing it to the HP8250. The
>> Canon is slightly cheaper to run. See here
>>
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...et/page15.html
>>
>>
>
>Difficult to compare - it always depends on the numbers that you assume.
>
>Example: Canon specs 360 pages of BW text prints (5% coverage). For a
>recommended price of $16.25 that's 4.5 cents/page. Tom names 0.02 cts
>
>For A4 photos he names $1.20 - how/why? Spec is 490 pages @ 5%. Real
>tests I know are 69 pages. This would be $14.25 * 4 / 69 = $0.82 / page
>
>Is it fair to compare a 4-color Pixma against an 8-color HP?
>
>It's difficult to accept general price assumptions, as long as you don't
>add your own priorities. Example: when you refill Canon's or HP's
>cartridges,
>
YOU ARE STUPID

> the price may be drop to 1/10. Canon's price is around
>$1000/litre, while other sources are $100 or less. This would be weekly
>refilling for around 18 months (which is a recommended life time of
>the ink).
>
>- Martin
>
>

DISREGARD ALL OF THIS ADVICE. IF YOU BUY AN IP4200/5200 BE SAFE AND USE
CANON INK TO GET BEST RESULTS WITH NO HEADACHE

cvt wrote:

>David G <notreallyhere@sure> wrote in news:44285a4a$0$5461$bb8e7a08
>@news.usenetcompany.com:
>
>
>
>>Are the new Canon Chromalife Prima inks for the ip5200 printer dye based
>>or pigmented? Also is anyone using these inks/printer and have any
>>comments to make please.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Depends on where you are, there hard to come by in AU but have appeared on
>wholesalers sites in the last couple days.
>
>356800 I made a post on this (ip6600D (CLI-8) Ink Information), and some
>locations of where you can get it has been posted, so I suggest you check
>out that thread.
>
>The PGI-5BK is the same as BCI-3e, BCI-8, BC-23, PG-40, PG-50
>
>The chip is an unresolved issue, but will work anyway at the expence of
>voiding warranty, Theres nothing available yet, I am looking for the
>systems flaws at the moment, but there seems to be a bit more involved in
>getting around it than I hoped, just give the scene some time on it. the
>biggest thing against it is the copyright on the chip.
>
>I will be converting this printer to be CIS soon, as soon as my ink turns
>up, until then, untested with other ink, but plenty are running there
>printers fine on aftermarket inks.
>
>Cheers.
>
>

Martin Trautmann wrote:

> Difficult to compare - it always depends on the numbers that you assume.
>
> - Martin

Yes - always difficult to know just what you will be in for with
expenses with a new printer. Came across another report on the 5200, in
fact all I have seen seem to rate it. Have a look here

http://tinyurl.com/k64ou


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David G

Martin Trautmann wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:05:25 +0100, David G wrote:
>> Toms Hardware have done a report comparing it to the HP8250. The
>> Canon is slightly cheaper to run. See here
>>
>> http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/...et/page15.html
>
> Difficult to compare - it always depends on the numbers that you assume.
>
> Example: Canon specs 360 pages of BW text prints (5% coverage). For a
> recommended price of $16.25 that's 4.5 cents/page. Tom names 0.02 cts
>
> For A4 photos he names $1.20 - how/why? Spec is 490 pages @ 5%. Real
> tests I know are 69 pages. This would be $14.25 * 4 / 69 = $0.82 / page
>
> Is it fair to compare a 4-color Pixma against an 8-color HP?
>
> It's difficult to accept general price assumptions, as long as you don't
> add your own priorities. Example: when you refill Canon's or HP's
> cartridges, the price may be drop to 1/10. Canon's price is around
> $1000/litre, while other sources are $100 or less. This would be weekly
> refilling for around 18 months (which is a recommended life time of
> the ink).
>
> - Martin

Also worth pointing out that you're unlikely to want to replace the
epson before you need to replace the printhead on your canon..
Printheads on Canons seem to be a lot less durable..


FWIW.. the iP4200 is a good printer so long as you're ok with the whole
invalidate warranty issue and opt for a CIS or refill..