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ferruccio levi
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      10-21-2004, 02:36 PM
The EPSON ACULASER C900 color printer has 4 different toner cartridges:
black, magenta, cyan and yellow.
Most of my color prints use yellow as background color, so I expected the
yellow cartridge to empty before cyan and magenta.
On the contrary, the STATUS MONITOR detected the three color cartridges as
empty exactly at the same time; there was no way to proceed with printing
without replacing all the cartridges.
I weighed the old cartridges, and the yellow one was clearly lighter than
the others.
Is this normal ?
Did anyone experience the same phenomenon ?

Many thanks in advance.

Ferruccio Levi



 
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      10-21-2004, 03:09 PM
ferruccio levi wrote:
> The EPSON ACULASER C900 color printer has 4 different toner
> cartridges: black, magenta, cyan and yellow.
> Most of my color prints use yellow as background color, so I expected
> the yellow cartridge to empty before cyan and magenta.
> On the contrary, the STATUS MONITOR detected the three color
> cartridges as empty exactly at the same time; there was no way to
> proceed with printing without replacing all the cartridges.
> I weighed the old cartridges, and the yellow one was clearly lighter
> than the others.
> Is this normal ?
> Did anyone experience the same phenomenon ?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Ferruccio Levi


I remember once i've read review about several laser printers and all of
them are showing empty toner way too soon. On some printers testers were
able to print over 1000 pages AFTER this warning appeared. The problem is if
you can't print after this warning appears...
Then....you're in deep ****...
try to find some workaround this warning, or replace just yellow toner
(maybe you can even empty "almost" empty cart into new one and save
left-over toner in old one---if cart can be opened).

BTW----how are photos, printed with such printer comparable with inkjets
(and what kind of paper yo you use), like Canon iP4000, or i850...? are
same, way off, better?
I'm really curious about this...and also what are the prices of toner carts?
THX.


 
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      10-21-2004, 03:44 PM
According to the user manual, the STATUS MONITOR should send a warning when
a single cartridge is nearly empty, asking to "have ready" a new cartridge.
Apparently, after the warning it is possible to print a fixed number of
pages (a few hundreds): then the printer is locked until the cartridge is
replaced.

This is almost normal and acceptable; but both the warning and the printing
lock occurred EXACTLY at the same time for all the three color cartridges.
The EPSON assistance swore that each cartridge has its own detector, but my
feeling is that this is a lie: apparently there is a separate detector for
the black cartridge, but a single detector for the three color cartridges,
to force the user to anticipate replacement.

But to confirm this feeling, I need to know whether my experience is normal
or it is an ecception.

Each cartridge (no matter the color) is about 130 Euro + 20 % tax in Italy;
i changed the first black cartridge at about 3500 pages, and the first three
color cartridges at about 5500 pages.

Color photos are satisfactory on normal paper, but not comparable with
chemical photo prints; they are more opaque with respect to inkjet prints,
but much more cheap.

Ferruccio Levi

"SleeperMan" <> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> I remember once i've read review about several laser printers and all of
> them are showing empty toner way too soon. On some printers testers were
> able to print over 1000 pages AFTER this warning appeared. The problem is
> if you can't print after this warning appears...
> Then....you're in deep ****...
> try to find some workaround this warning, or replace just yellow toner
> (maybe you can even empty "almost" empty cart into new one and save
> left-over toner in old one---if cart can be opened).
>
> BTW----how are photos, printed with such printer comparable with inkjets
> (and what kind of paper yo you use), like Canon iP4000, or i850...? are
> same, way off, better?
> I'm really curious about this...and also what are the prices of toner
> carts? THX.
>



 
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      10-22-2004, 01:17 PM
ferruccio levi wrote:
> According to the user manual, the STATUS MONITOR should send a
> warning when a single cartridge is nearly empty, asking to "have
> ready" a new cartridge. Apparently, after the warning it is possible
> to print a fixed number of pages (a few hundreds): then the printer
> is locked until the cartridge is replaced.
>
> This is almost normal and acceptable; but both the warning and the
> printing lock occurred EXACTLY at the same time for all the three
> color cartridges. The EPSON assistance swore that each cartridge has
> its own detector, but my feeling is that this is a lie: apparently
> there is a separate detector for the black cartridge, but a single
> detector for the three color cartridges, to force the user to
> anticipate replacement.
> But to confirm this feeling, I need to know whether my experience is
> normal or it is an ecception.
>
> Each cartridge (no matter the color) is about 130 Euro + 20 % tax in
> Italy; i changed the first black cartridge at about 3500 pages, and
> the first three color cartridges at about 5500 pages.
>
> Color photos are satisfactory on normal paper, but not comparable with
> chemical photo prints; they are more opaque with respect to inkjet
> prints, but much more cheap.
>
> Ferruccio Levi
>


That's odd...

I wonder, what would happen if you remove and insert same toner...will
printer see that it's old one or would it assume that it's a new one...
It's a good question how much toner is still inside when you throw away the
cart...


 
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      10-25-2004, 07:23 AM
If I remove and insert again a cartridge detected as empty, it is detected
as empty again.

The final weight of the "empty" cartridges were as follows:
yellow: 532 g
magenta: 543 g
cyan 541 g

Toner filling in a replacement cartridge is about 110 g; EPSON states that
orignal cartridges are filled with 1/3 of replacement ones; that is about 37
g of toner; then the "empty" magenta cartridge should be still filled,
apparently, with at least 11 g, that is about 30 %.

Ferruccio Levi

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> ferruccio levi wrote:
>> According to the user manual, the STATUS MONITOR should send a
>> warning when a single cartridge is nearly empty, asking to "have
>> ready" a new cartridge. Apparently, after the warning it is possible
>> to print a fixed number of pages (a few hundreds): then the printer
>> is locked until the cartridge is replaced.
>>
>> This is almost normal and acceptable; but both the warning and the
>> printing lock occurred EXACTLY at the same time for all the three
>> color cartridges. The EPSON assistance swore that each cartridge has
>> its own detector, but my feeling is that this is a lie: apparently
>> there is a separate detector for the black cartridge, but a single
>> detector for the three color cartridges, to force the user to
>> anticipate replacement.
>> But to confirm this feeling, I need to know whether my experience is
>> normal or it is an ecception.
>>
>> Each cartridge (no matter the color) is about 130 Euro + 20 % tax in
>> Italy; i changed the first black cartridge at about 3500 pages, and
>> the first three color cartridges at about 5500 pages.
>>
>> Color photos are satisfactory on normal paper, but not comparable with
>> chemical photo prints; they are more opaque with respect to inkjet
>> prints, but much more cheap.
>>
>> Ferruccio Levi
>>

>
> That's odd...
>
> I wonder, what would happen if you remove and insert same toner...will
> printer see that it's old one or would it assume that it's a new one...
> It's a good question how much toner is still inside when you throw away
> the cart...
>



 
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      10-25-2004, 07:39 AM
ferruccio levi wrote:
> If I remove and insert again a cartridge detected as empty, it is
> detected as empty again.
>
> The final weight of the "empty" cartridges were as follows:
> yellow: 532 g
> magenta: 543 g
> cyan 541 g
>
> Toner filling in a replacement cartridge is about 110 g; EPSON states
> that orignal cartridges are filled with 1/3 of replacement ones; that
> is about 37 g of toner; then the "empty" magenta cartridge should be
> still filled, apparently, with at least 11 g, that is about 30 %.
>
> Ferruccio Levi


SO, Epson doesn't fully fills orignal carts...that's...well...not
good...bastards...!
I guess opening of used (or new ) carts is not possible? I mean to move
toner form used to a new one...




>
> "SleeperMan" <> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>> ferruccio levi wrote:
>>> According to the user manual, the STATUS MONITOR should send a
>>> warning when a single cartridge is nearly empty, asking to "have
>>> ready" a new cartridge. Apparently, after the warning it is possible
>>> to print a fixed number of pages (a few hundreds): then the printer
>>> is locked until the cartridge is replaced.
>>>
>>> This is almost normal and acceptable; but both the warning and the
>>> printing lock occurred EXACTLY at the same time for all the three
>>> color cartridges. The EPSON assistance swore that each cartridge has
>>> its own detector, but my feeling is that this is a lie: apparently
>>> there is a separate detector for the black cartridge, but a single
>>> detector for the three color cartridges, to force the user to
>>> anticipate replacement.
>>> But to confirm this feeling, I need to know whether my experience is
>>> normal or it is an ecception.
>>>
>>> Each cartridge (no matter the color) is about 130 Euro + 20 % tax in
>>> Italy; i changed the first black cartridge at about 3500 pages, and
>>> the first three color cartridges at about 5500 pages.
>>>
>>> Color photos are satisfactory on normal paper, but not comparable
>>> with chemical photo prints; they are more opaque with respect to
>>> inkjet prints, but much more cheap.
>>>
>>> Ferruccio Levi
>>>

>>
>> That's odd...
>>
>> I wonder, what would happen if you remove and insert same
>> toner...will printer see that it's old one or would it assume that
>> it's a new one... It's a good question how much toner is still
>> inside when you throw away the cart...




 
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      10-27-2004, 08:29 AM
> SO, Epson doesn't fully fills orignal carts...that's...well...not
> good...bastards...!


We must acknowledge that this is clearly stated in the advertisement
booklet...
(with a font greater than some strange clauses in insurance policies in
Italy...)

Ferruccio Levi


 
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      10-27-2004, 10:14 AM
I can't speak for Epson color laser cartridges, but most companies make
their cartridges in such a manner as they can be refilled with toner by
a refilling company if not on your own.

Since the "starter" cartridges are only 1/3rd full you should be able to
get a full toner charge out of the other parts in the cartridge without
any problems with wear, if you can find a reliable refiller.

Almost all color laser manufacturers have gone to the same model that is
used with inkjet printers. The idea is to make up the profit lost of
selling the printer below market value by having you buy new cartridges
sets. The cost of the cartridge set and other consumables often is
greater than replacing the printer with a new set of cartridges. That
is why they don't give you full cartridges with the new printer.... if
they did people would toss the printer after the cartridges ran "dry"
and just replace it. Sadly, all printer manufactures are going to this
model with lasers. They used to supply full cartridges, but the cost of
the printers were considerably more costly, as a result.

The best way to beat them at their own game is to have the cartridges
refilled. SOme require a new fuse be put in, as they are designed to
blow when the toner runs low, in order to deter refilling.

If you don't like this, complain to both the manufacturers and to your
government environmental offices.

Art



SleeperMan wrote:

> ferruccio levi wrote:
>
>>If I remove and insert again a cartridge detected as empty, it is
>>detected as empty again.
>>
>>The final weight of the "empty" cartridges were as follows:
>>yellow: 532 g
>>magenta: 543 g
>>cyan 541 g
>>
>>Toner filling in a replacement cartridge is about 110 g; EPSON states
>>that orignal cartridges are filled with 1/3 of replacement ones; that
>>is about 37 g of toner; then the "empty" magenta cartridge should be
>>still filled, apparently, with at least 11 g, that is about 30 %.
>>
>>Ferruccio Levi

>
>
> SO, Epson doesn't fully fills orignal carts...that's...well...not
> good...bastards...!
> I guess opening of used (or new ) carts is not possible? I mean to move
> toner form used to a new one...
>
>
>
>
>
>>"SleeperMan" <> ha scritto nel messaggio
>>news:xL7ed.4646$...
>>
>>>ferruccio levi wrote:
>>>
>>>>According to the user manual, the STATUS MONITOR should send a
>>>>warning when a single cartridge is nearly empty, asking to "have
>>>>ready" a new cartridge. Apparently, after the warning it is possible
>>>>to print a fixed number of pages (a few hundreds): then the printer
>>>>is locked until the cartridge is replaced.
>>>>
>>>>This is almost normal and acceptable; but both the warning and the
>>>>printing lock occurred EXACTLY at the same time for all the three
>>>>color cartridges. The EPSON assistance swore that each cartridge has
>>>>its own detector, but my feeling is that this is a lie: apparently
>>>>there is a separate detector for the black cartridge, but a single
>>>>detector for the three color cartridges, to force the user to
>>>>anticipate replacement.
>>>>But to confirm this feeling, I need to know whether my experience is
>>>>normal or it is an ecception.
>>>>
>>>>Each cartridge (no matter the color) is about 130 Euro + 20 % tax in
>>>>Italy; i changed the first black cartridge at about 3500 pages, and
>>>>the first three color cartridges at about 5500 pages.
>>>>
>>>>Color photos are satisfactory on normal paper, but not comparable
>>>>with chemical photo prints; they are more opaque with respect to
>>>>inkjet prints, but much more cheap.
>>>>
>>>>Ferruccio Levi
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's odd...
>>>
>>>I wonder, what would happen if you remove and insert same
>>>toner...will printer see that it's old one or would it assume that
>>>it's a new one... It's a good question how much toner is still
>>>inside when you throw away the cart...

>
>
>
>


 
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      10-27-2004, 11:14 AM
ferruccio levi wrote:
>> SO, Epson doesn't fully fills orignal carts...that's...well...not
>> good...bastards...!

>
> We must acknowledge that this is clearly stated in the advertisement
> booklet...
> (with a font greater than some strange clauses in insurance policies
> in Italy...)
>
> Ferruccio Levi


At least that...i would think that warning will be with small letters....


 
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      10-27-2004, 11:21 AM
Arthur Entlich wrote:
> I can't speak for Epson color laser cartridges, but most companies
> make their cartridges in such a manner as they can be refilled with
> toner by a refilling company if not on your own.
>
> Since the "starter" cartridges are only 1/3rd full you should be able
> to get a full toner charge out of the other parts in the cartridge
> without any problems with wear, if you can find a reliable refiller.
>
> Almost all color laser manufacturers have gone to the same model that
> is used with inkjet printers. The idea is to make up the profit lost
> of selling the printer below market value by having you buy new
> cartridges sets. The cost of the cartridge set and other consumables
> often is greater than replacing the printer with a new set of
> cartridges. That is why they don't give you full cartridges with the
> new printer.... if they did people would toss the printer after the
> cartridges ran "dry" and just replace it. Sadly, all printer
> manufactures are going to this model with lasers. They used to
> supply full cartridges, but the cost of the printers were
> considerably more costly, as a result.
> The best way to beat them at their own game is to have the cartridges
> refilled. SOme require a new fuse be put in, as they are designed to
> blow when the toner runs low, in order to deter refilling.
>
> If you don't like this, complain to both the manufacturers and to your
> government environmental offices.
>
> Art
>


well...
i refilled my Canon i550 for a year and a half, when head died (all colors
are flushing all over). Now, i spoke with some guys (like servicemen etc),
and more or less all said that ink is the cause of that. I don't know now if
this is true or not, i just think that 1.5 year is a bit too short for a
printer to last - and i didn't print so much that a man could assume that
it's worn out.
I'll try now (with my iP4000) with original ink and...we'll see, won't we?

But, to go back to lasers...
Prices of those are going down fast. It's just, sometimes we assumed that
output is ...great..., while now i hear that it can' tbe comparable with
(good) inkjets. And price per sheet is also not so damn low, so i wonder,
why are they good...maybe for archiving purposes, since i bet that toner
last longer than ink, or water resistance, or speed...

I know that all manufacturers try to gain their loss with ink (or toner).
It's just so much ink (or toner) supplliers on the market, and all says like
" mine is the best!" that is very difficult to decide...


 
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