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Al Bundy
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      11-02-2008, 03:14 PM
On Nov 2, 1:58 am, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "John Keiser" <john.keis...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >I never use the color inks as I have a Canon iP8500 or photos and I am very
> >disappointed that I am being nagged to replace the color cartridges.
> >I don't mind permanently disabling color printing as all I really want is
> >scanning and text.
> >Is there any means of setting this up so that it only prints black with
> >empty color cartrdiges?
> >Thank you.
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>
> John
> What Measekite recommends will not work. These are chipped cartridges and once
> empty you will have to replace them, I believe they may also contain foam so
> the residual ink in the foam will contaminate any new ink for a long time (a
> moot point since you can't refill the original cartridges anyway). You can buy
> cartridges with auto reset chips but you will need to replace all of the
> cartridges at once.
> Your original question was ->Is there any means of setting this up so that it only prints black with
> >empty color cartrdiges?

>
> And the answer is still - no you can't whatever measekite says, the alternative
> of refilling the cartridges will not work either so you have to replace all the
> cartridges with OEM cartridges or with compatible ones with auto reset chips.
> Tony
> MS MVP Printing Image


Since the poster is not using the color, would it be possible to
simply refill the colors with a mix of alcohol and water and reset the
chip as needed? This could keep the nozzles from clogging.
 
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      11-02-2008, 10:55 PM
On Nov 2, 1:55 pm, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 2, 1:58 am, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "John Keiser" <john.keis...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >> >I never use the color inks as I have a Canon iP8500 or photos and I am very
> >> >disappointed that I am being nagged to replace the color cartridges.
> >> >I don't mind permanently disabling color printing as all I really want is
> >> >scanning and text.
> >> >Is there any means of setting this up so that it only prints black with
> >> >empty color cartrdiges?
> >> >Thank you.
> >> >--
> >> >Remove -NOSPAM- to contact me.

>
> >> John
> >> What Measekite recommends will not work. These are chipped cartridges and
> >>once
> >> empty you will have to replace them, I believe they may also contain foam so
> >> the residual ink in the foam will contaminate any new ink for a long time (a
> >> moot point since you can't refill the original cartridges anyway). You can
> >>buy
> >> cartridges with auto reset chips but you will need to replace all of the
> >> cartridges at once.
> >> Your original question was ->Is there any means of setting this up so that
> >>it only prints black with
> >> >empty color cartrdiges?

>
> >> And the answer is still - no you can't whatever measekite says, the
> >>alternative
> >> of refilling the cartridges will not work either so you have to replace all
> >>the
> >> cartridges with OEM cartridges or with compatible ones with auto reset chips.
> >> Tony
> >> MS MVP Printing Image

>
> >Since the poster is not using the color, would it be possible to
> >simply refill the colors with a mix of alcohol and water and reset the
> >chip as needed? This could keep the nozzles from clogging.

>
> Only if the cartridges have an auto reset chip which will not be the case if
> the cartridges are OEM. Investing in auto reset cartridges may work though.
> Tony
> MS MVP Printing Image


I know it sounds cheesy, but I had some brand new HP78 carts that were
dry when I opened them. They were several years old. I only paid $1
for them at a garage sale thinking they could be donor carts. I
reasoned that it was the volatile agents that had dried so I injected
several syringes of 70% alcohol (rubbing alcohol) followed by
universal dye ink until full. It took a couple of attempts to purge
the air before they printed clearly. The result has been very
successful. I think the alcohol might be used as an extender or a
replacement in situations like the OP.
 
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      11-03-2008, 10:08 PM
On Nov 3, 3:04 am, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> >On Nov 2, 1:55 pm, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Nov 2, 1:58 am, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> "John Keiser" <john.keis...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >> >> >I never use the color inks as I have a Canon iP8500 or photos and I am
> >> >> >very
> >> >> >disappointed that I am being nagged to replace the color cartridges.
> >> >> >I don't mind permanently disabling color printing as all I really want is
> >> >> >scanning and text.
> >> >> >Is there any means of setting this up so that it only prints black with
> >> >> >empty color cartrdiges?
> >> >> >Thank you.
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Remove -NOSPAM- to contact me.

>
> >> >> John
> >> >> What Measekite recommends will not work. These are chipped cartridges and
> >> >>once
> >> >> empty you will have to replace them, I believe they may also contain foam
> >> >>so
> >> >> the residual ink in the foam will contaminate any new ink for a long time
> >> >>(a
> >> >> moot point since you can't refill the original cartridges anyway). You can
> >> >>buy
> >> >> cartridges with auto reset chips but you will need to replace all of the
> >> >> cartridges at once.
> >> >> Your original question was ->Is there any means of setting this up so that
> >> >>it only prints black with
> >> >> >empty color cartrdiges?

>
> >> >> And the answer is still - no you can't whatever measekite says, the
> >> >>alternative
> >> >> of refilling the cartridges will not work either so you have to replace
> >> >>all
> >> >>the
> >> >> cartridges with OEM cartridges or with compatible ones with auto reset
> >> >>chips.
> >> >> Tony
> >> >> MS MVP Printing Image

>
> >> >Since the poster is not using the color, would it be possible to
> >> >simply refill the colors with a mix of alcohol and water and reset the
> >> >chip as needed? This could keep the nozzles from clogging.

>
> >> Only if the cartridges have an auto reset chip which will not be the case if
> >> the cartridges are OEM. Investing in auto reset cartridges may work though.
> >> Tony
> >> MS MVP Printing Image

>
> >I know it sounds cheesy, but I had some brand new HP78 carts that were
> >dry when I opened them. They were several years old. I only paid $1
> >for them at a garage sale thinking they could be donor carts. I
> >reasoned that it was the volatile agents that had dried so I injected
> >several syringes of 70% alcohol (rubbing alcohol) followed by
> >universal dye ink until full. It took a couple of attempts to purge
> >the air before they printed clearly. The result has been very
> >successful. I think the alcohol might be used as an extender or a
> >replacement in situations like the OP.

>
> You did well, the #78 is foam filled and usually once they become very dry they
> are hard to recover.
> Tony
> MS MVP Printing Image


I'm an experimenter with this stuff. One time I cut them open and
tried to make spongless carts. That was a huge mess. I have also added
replacement sponge material. The key for me has been in purging the
air after filling. I do this by injecting air through the top vent
hole with the head facing up and sometimes at different angles. I can
see the air bubbling out until solid ink flows. The tool I use is a
tapered plastic syringe that seals against the vent hole enough to
push air.
 
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      11-04-2008, 12:56 AM
Yes, in fact, that's one solution I suggested, assuming they can get a
resetter for this newer model, which now seem to be available.

Art


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Al Bundy wrote:
> On Nov 2, 1:58 am, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "John Keiser" <john.keis...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>> I never use the color inks as I have a Canon iP8500 or photos and I am very
>>> disappointed that I am being nagged to replace the color cartridges.
>>> I don't mind permanently disabling color printing as all I really want is
>>> scanning and text.
>>> Is there any means of setting this up so that it only prints black with
>>> empty color cartrdiges?
>>> Thank you.
>>> --
>>> Remove -NOSPAM- to contact me.

>> John
>> What Measekite recommends will not work. These are chipped cartridges and once
>> empty you will have to replace them, I believe they may also contain foam so
>> the residual ink in the foam will contaminate any new ink for a long time (a
>> moot point since you can't refill the original cartridges anyway). You can buy
>> cartridges with auto reset chips but you will need to replace all of the
>> cartridges at once.
>> Your original question was ->Is there any means of setting this up so that it only prints black with
>>> empty color cartrdiges?

>> And the answer is still - no you can't whatever measekite says, the alternative
>> of refilling the cartridges will not work either so you have to replace all the
>> cartridges with OEM cartridges or with compatible ones with auto reset chips.
>> Tony
>> MS MVP Printing Image

>
> Since the poster is not using the color, would it be possible to
> simply refill the colors with a mix of alcohol and water and reset the
> chip as needed? This could keep the nozzles from clogging.

 
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      11-04-2008, 01:08 AM
.. I
> reasoned that it was the volatile agents that had dried so I injected
> several syringes of 70% alcohol (rubbing alcohol) followed by
> universal dye ink until full. It took a couple of attempts to purge
> the air before they printed clearly. The result has been very
> successful. I think the alcohol might be used as an extender or a
> replacement in situations like the OP.



Were the cartridges themselves actually dried out, or might it just have
been the nozzles were dried shut, and the ink was still fluid (if
concentrated).

The solvents for these inks vary depending upon the brand, the model
they are for, and they ink technology. Most use water as the principle
base, but some use a resin which makes those inks waterproof once dry,
in the cases of those inks basic solvent like ammonia may be required to
dissolve the resin.

Other parts of the solvents are: glycol esters (usually ethylene glycol,
also used in most car antifreeze) which is used a a wetting agent, to
slow the drying rate to lessen clogging of the head, and isopropyl
alcohol also used as a wetting agent, and to speed drying of the exposed
ink.

> I know it sounds cheesy


I do not suggest using cheese of any type (even Cheesewiz) in ink
cartridges. Besides that it may clog the heads, it tends to attract mice
to your prints. ;-)

Art

If you are interested in issues surrounding e-waste,
I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/

Al Bundy wrote:
> On Nov 2, 1:55 pm, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 2, 1:58 am, Tony <tonythebengalti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "John Keiser" <john.keis...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>>>>> I never use the color inks as I have a Canon iP8500 or photos and I am very
>>>>> disappointed that I am being nagged to replace the color cartridges.
>>>>> I don't mind permanently disabling color printing as all I really want is
>>>>> scanning and text.
>>>>> Is there any means of setting this up so that it only prints black with
>>>>> empty color cartrdiges?
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Remove -NOSPAM- to contact me.
>>>> John
>>>> What Measekite recommends will not work. These are chipped cartridges and
>>>> once
>>>> empty you will have to replace them, I believe they may also contain foam so
>>>> the residual ink in the foam will contaminate any new ink for a long time (a
>>>> moot point since you can't refill the original cartridges anyway). You can
>>>> buy
>>>> cartridges with auto reset chips but you will need to replace all of the
>>>> cartridges at once.
>>>> Your original question was ->Is there any means of setting this up so that
>>>> it only prints black with
>>>>> empty color cartrdiges?
>>>> And the answer is still - no you can't whatever measekite says, the
>>>> alternative
>>>> of refilling the cartridges will not work either so you have to replace all
>>>> the
>>>> cartridges with OEM cartridges or with compatible ones with auto reset chips.
>>>> Tony
>>>> MS MVP Printing Image
>>> Since the poster is not using the color, would it be possible to
>>> simply refill the colors with a mix of alcohol and water and reset the
>>> chip as needed? This could keep the nozzles from clogging.

>> Only if the cartridges have an auto reset chip which will not be the case if
>> the cartridges are OEM. Investing in auto reset cartridges may work though.
>> Tony
>> MS MVP Printing Image

>
> I know it sounds cheesy, but I had some brand new HP78 carts that were
> dry when I opened them. They were several years old. I only paid $1
> for them at a garage sale thinking they could be donor carts. I
> reasoned that it was the volatile agents that had dried so I injected
> several syringes of 70% alcohol (rubbing alcohol) followed by
> universal dye ink until full. It took a couple of attempts to purge
> the air before they printed clearly. The result has been very
> successful. I think the alcohol might be used as an extender or a
> replacement in situations like the OP.

 
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      11-04-2008, 02:49 PM


Arthur Entlich wrote:
> . I
> > reasoned that it was the volatile agents that had dried so I injected
> > several syringes of 70% alcohol (rubbing alcohol) followed by
> > universal dye ink until full. It took a couple of attempts to purge
> > the air before they printed clearly. The result has been very
> > successful. I think the alcohol might be used as an extender or a
> > replacement in situations like the OP.

>
>
> Were the cartridges themselves actually dried out, or might it just have
> been the nozzles were dried shut, and the ink was still fluid (if
> concentrated).
>

The carts were as nearly empty as I can tell. I use a digital postal
scale accurate to 0.5g.
All I use are old HP and Canon printers. My Canons take all dye based
ink. The HP's use 78 and 45 carts. The 45 supposed to be pigmented I
believe. I have tried some dye ink that just ran right out of them.
But I have been successful with dye ink in the 45 by adding some
glycerol. As I said, I'm an experimenter and I have a supply of donor
carts to work with. I love those 78 and 45's for their capacity.
 
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