Refill supplier for CL-iPG-i inks?

Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
Thanks

On Dec 11, 3:09*pm, "PHX" <nadan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
> MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
> I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
> to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
> Thanks

Keep in mind that I'm not aware of an archival solution for Canons.

http://www.inksupply.com/cankits.cfm#ip4200
http://www.inksupply.com/html/pdf/ca...pgi5refill.pdf

I last bought their refill kit for the ip4000 which included virgin
cartridges. Those virgin cartridges to be fair took like 3 refills
before they gummed up. OEM cartridges enjoyed more refills. I'm
presently not aware of aftermarket cartridges that are as good as
OEM.

That being said, the old kit contained 5 syringes. These instructions
recommend you hammer the ball into the cartridge. As of late I've
been using a well used hot thumbtack with a bent tip to melt into the
ball, cool, and extract it. I then use #8 (I've upgraded from #6) to
plug the hole area.

If you want to spend extra, you can get branded image-specialist 16
ounce bottles.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hobbicolors-Refi...3%3A1|294%3A50

Hobbicolor's kit is a little different. No tools are provided AFAIK.
The kit I bought IIRC only had one syringe. They include silicon
plugs which might work as well as a #8 nylon screw but I've not tested
them. Hobbicolor's color is pretty stellar.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:09:09 -0700, PHX wrote:

> Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
> MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?


There are none. The ink is under patent.


> I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
> to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
> Thanks

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:31 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

> On Dec 11, 3:09Â*pm, "PHX" <nadan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
>> MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
>> I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
>> to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
>> Thanks
>
> Keep in mind that I'm not aware of an archival solution for Canons.
>
> http://www.inksupply.com/cankits.cfm#ip4200
> http://www.inksupply.com/html/pdf/ca...pgi5refill.pdf
>
> I last bought their refill kit for the ip4000 which included virgin
> cartridges. Those virgin cartridges to be fair took like 3 refills

You mean that you got screwed instead of the cartridge.




> before they gummed up. OEM cartridges enjoyed more refills. I'm
> presently not aware of aftermarket cartridges that are as good as
> OEM.
>
> That being said, the old kit contained 5 syringes. These instructions
> recommend you hammer the ball into the cartridge. As of late I've
> been using a well used hot thumbtack with a bent tip to melt into the
> ball, cool, and extract it. I then use #8 (I've upgraded from #6) to
> plug the hole area.
>
> If you want to spend extra, you can get branded image-specialist 16
> ounce bottles.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Hobbicolors-Refi...3%3A1|294%3A50
>
> Hobbicolor's kit is a little different. No tools are provided AFAIK.
> The kit I bought IIRC only had one syringe. They include silicon
> plugs which might work as well as a #8 nylon screw but I've not tested
> them. Hobbicolor's color is pretty stellar.

On Dec 11, 4:54*pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
> > I last bought their refill kit for the ip4000 which included virgin
> > cartridges. *Those virgin cartridges to be fair took like 3 refills
>
> You mean that you got screwed instead of the cartridge.

Nope. I'm trying to remember what a set of virgin cartridges cost me
for the ip4000, well actually an mp760. I would guess I spent $22.50,
or $4.50 each. That's what they would cost today in the kit from
inksupply.com, though that includes 5 syringes. I got three refills
each so $1.50 + the ink. At the time it was $2.50/ounce or 29.5735296
0.08c/ml

BCI-3e = $2.00 + $1.50 = $3.50
BCI-6= = $1.04 + $1.50 = $2.54 x 4 = $10.16
= 13.66/set

OEM was about $55 at the time.
$41.34 savings or 75%

Savings from the kit. $124.02

Retrofitting OEM cartridges are a better value.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:04:31 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

> On Dec 11, 4:54Â*pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
>> > I last bought their refill kit for the ip4000 which included virgin
>> > cartridges. Â*Those virgin cartridges to be fair took like 3 refills
>>
>> You mean that you got screwed instead of the cartridge.
>
> Nope. I'm trying to remember what a set of virgin cartridges cost me
> for the ip4000, well actually an mp760. I would guess I spent $22.50,
> or $4.50 each. That's what they would cost today in the kit from
> inksupply.com, though that includes 5 syringes. I got three refills
> each so $1.50 + the ink. At the time it was $2.50/ounce or 29.5735296
> 0.08c/ml
>
> BCI-3e = $2.00 + $1.50 = $3.50
> BCI-6= = $1.04 + $1.50 = $2.54 x 4 = $10.16
> = 13.66/set
>
> OEM was about $55 at the time.
> $41.34 savings or 75%



There was no savings. Savings will occur when you go to Staples for a set
of Canon carts where the price may be $65.00 and then you buy it as
Costco for $50.00. Then you saved $15.00 since you got the same thing.
I do grant you spent less.





>
> Savings from the kit. $124.02
>
> Retrofitting OEM cartridges are a better value.

On Dec 12, 11:10*am, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:

> There was no savings. *Savings will occur when you go to Staples for a set
> of Canon carts where the price may be $65.00 and then you buy it as
> Costco for $50.00. *Then you saved $15.00 since you got the same thing.
> I do grant you spent less.
>
>
>
> > Savings from the kit. *$124.02
>
> > Retrofitting OEM cartridges are a better value.

Spending less for the same or similar result IS SAVING. That's the
very definition of saving. If taking the bus to work costs less then
driving your car, then you would be saving money. Unfortunately If I
want to continue to keep insurance on my car, then the bus doesn't
represent a stellar value since the cost of fuel to from work is more
than the bus pass. If I want to keep a car insured, it's cheaper to
use the car.

My main application is disc printing. I've done well over 5000. I
could use
44 cartridges

OEM ink - $12/cartridge (Office Depot CLI-8 multipack)
Aftermarket ink - $1.08/13ml (MIS 4oz bottles)
SAVINGS = $10.92

Let's reverse it

OEM ink - $429 4x 4oz (about 33 cartridges)
Aftermarket $40 4x 4oz (MIS bulk bottles)
SAVINGS = $389/4OZ

I'm not including the black pigment ink as they are not used on
discs.

I've used 4 4 ounce bottles x 4 colors, and dipped into my 5ith.

OEM dye ink = $1638 (about 126 cartridges 31.5 each color)
OEM pigment = $270 (about 18 cartridges twin packs Office Depot)
----------
Subtotal= $1908
TAX= $168
----------
Total= $2076


MIS dye ink = $160 (4x 4oz bottles x 4 colors)
MIS pigment ink = $40 (4x 4oz bottles)
Shipping = $30 (there and abouts)
OEM CLI-8 pack = $102 (box set plus 2 extra)
OEM PGI-5BK = $48 (3 @ $16 each)
Tax= $13 (there and abouts)
#6 & #8 plugs = $2.00
Replacement head = $50 (swapped out after 15x5 cartridge changes)
Spare printer = $150
----------
Grand total $595
TOTAL SAVINGS = $1481

71% savings INCLUDING a replacement printer D00D.

It's true MIS isn't as archival as OEM Canon, but guess what Canon OEM
isn't very archival in the first place.
100 years in an album
30 years under glass
10 years gas fastness.

Canon isn't the "worst" but it's down there with Lexmark as far as
print longevity. For my main application, which is discs and labels,
this is simply NOT an issue. However for prints I want to keep around
for a while, I'm presently getting geared up with Mediastreet ink,
which is archival for about 100 years according to Wilhelm. OEM Epson
1280 ink isn't very archival either.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:48:21 -0800, IntergalacticExpandingPanda wrote:

> On Dec 12, 11:10Â*am, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
>
>> There was no savings. Â*Savings will occur when you go to Staples for a set
>> of Canon carts where the price may be $65.00 and then you buy it as
>> Costco for $50.00. Â*Then you saved $15.00 since you got the same thing.
>> I do grant you spent less.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Savings from the kit. Â*$124.02
>>
>> > Retrofitting OEM cartridges are a better value.
>
> Spending less for the same or similar result IS SAVING. That's the


Stop twisting. I do not dance. Spending less when it is like for like is
a savings not similar.

The IRS allows a tax free exchange on like for like. You cannot exchange
income property use for commerical purposes with income property use for
residential. It is not like for like.

You are a rationalizer.




> very definition of saving. If taking the bus to
work costs less then
> driving your car, then you would be saving money. Unfortunately If I
> want to continue to keep insurance on my car, then the bus doesn't
> represent a stellar value since the cost of fuel to from work is more
> than the bus pass. If I want to keep a car insured, it's cheaper to
> use the car.
>
> My main application is disc printing. I've done well over 5000. I
> could use
> 44 cartridges
>
> OEM ink - $12/cartridge (Office Depot CLI-8 multipack) Aftermarket ink -
> $1.08/13ml (MIS 4oz bottles) SAVINGS = $10.92
>
> Let's reverse it
>
> OEM ink - $429 4x 4oz (about 33 cartridges) Aftermarket $40 4x 4oz (MIS
> bulk bottles) SAVINGS = $389/4OZ
>
> I'm not including the black pigment ink as they are not used on discs.
>
> I've used 4 4 ounce bottles x 4 colors, and dipped into my 5ith.
>
> OEM dye ink = $1638 (about 126 cartridges 31.5 each color) OEM pigment
> = $270 (about 18 cartridges twin packs Office Depot) ----------
> Subtotal= $1908
> TAX= $168
> ----------
> Total= $2076
>
>
> MIS dye ink = $160 (4x 4oz bottles x 4 colors) MIS pigment ink =
> $40 (4x 4oz bottles) Shipping = $30 (there and abouts) OEM CLI-8 pack
> = $102 (box set plus 2 extra) OEM PGI-5BK = $48 (3 @ $16 each) Tax= $13
> (there and abouts)
> #6 & #8 plugs = $2.00
> Replacement head = $50 (swapped out after 15x5 cartridge changes) Spare
> printer = $150
> ----------
> Grand total $595
> TOTAL SAVINGS = $1481
>
> 71% savings INCLUDING a replacement printer D00D.
>
> It's true MIS isn't as archival as OEM Canon, but guess what Canon OEM
> isn't very archival in the first place. 100 years in an album 30 years
> under glass
> 10 years gas fastness.
>
> Canon isn't the "worst" but it's down there with Lexmark as far as print
> longevity. For my main application, which is discs and labels, this is
> simply NOT an issue. However for prints I want to keep around for a
> while, I'm presently getting geared up with Mediastreet ink, which is
> archival for about 100 years according to Wilhelm. OEM Epson 1280 ink
> isn't very archival either.

On Dec 12, 8:43*pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
> > Spending less for the same or similar result IS SAVING. *That's the
>
> Stop twisting. *I do not dance. *Spending less when it is like for like is
> a savings not similar.

The only person twisting here is you.

I used a lot of ink. If I bought OEM ink 126 CLI cartridges and 18
PGI5 cartilages, it would cost me $2076

I bought MIS ink. It cost me $600 for the same amount of output
including some cartridges to put the ink in, a replacement head, and a
replacement printer.

Given I would have printed about the same amount anyway, I saved
money.

It's the classic choice between two products. One offers a technical
advantage, in this case OEM Canon is more archival. But given my main
application, which is labeling CDs and making covers, for something
that's going to sit on a shelf, not be exposed to direct sunlight,
there is little to no benefit to OEM ink.

I saved money. Period.

For pigment ink, there is little to NO advantage to using OEM canon
ink. OEM does tend to hold up to a highlighter better, but I'm told
KMP ink from Germany does an even better job and is higher contrast.
Still MIS pigment black is MORE than adequate for my needs. There
are NO real archival tests for Canon's pigmented black ink.


> The IRS allows a tax free exchange on like for like. *You cannot exchange
> income property use for commerical purposes with income property use for
> residential. *It is not like for like.

You're crazy. I'm talking about INK. OEM ink, aftermarket ink. OEM
ink costs 10x as much as aftermarket ink. They are both ink.

> You are a rationalizer.

If you mean I'm using my reasoning skills to make an informed choice,
then sure. If I wanted something to be archival, I would and do buy
OEM ink. They have a side benefit of serving as an extra set of
cartridges for aftermarket ink, which do have a limited life. But
Canon OEM performance SUCKS, which is why I'm evaluating aftermarket
pigmented ink.

On Dec 11, 6:09*pm, "PHX" <nadan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
> MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
> I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
> to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
> Thanks

I've been using MIS ink, and Alotofthings.com ink for several years.
They both work for me. I mostly print mixed documents, with text,
illustrations, and small portraits. Sometimes I print phototgraphs.

I use the alotoftings.com instructions for refilling the original
cartridges. However, I use a hot glue gun to seal the refill hole in
the cartridge, rather than a ball, or some other strategy. I've got
about 4-5 refills per cartridge, so far.

I read somewhere that you can unclog Canon cartridges (not
printheads!!!) by pouring hot water thru them until the sponge is
white. May try it sometime. My friend, Google, probably has the
reference.

I refill about once a month, and catch the cartridges before they are
empty -- so mostly the cartridges are 1/2 to 3/4 empty before I
refill. I've heard letting the cartridges run dry creates problems.

I'm not a math genius, but I figure it save me money, and is bItetter
for the envrionment, compared with new cartridges. It's fun too, if
you like to tinker with things as I do.

Best,
Larry