Ink Drying Time on Photo Paper?

Discussion in 'Printer Paper / Media' started by Jack, Jan 21, 2006.

  1. Jack

    Jack Guest

    Got myself a new Canon ip5200 printer and printed a bunch of photos on
    Non-Canon glossy photo paper I had.
    As I am new to this, I do know and have not found any info on how long I
    need to let the prints dry before putting them into my photo album.
    Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?
     
    Jack, Jan 21, 2006
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  2. Jack

    zakezuke Guest

    > Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?

    Depends on the paper, as well as the enviroment. Microporous papers
    like the premium PR-101... and oddly enough Hammermil indoor sign
    labels I can spray with a polyacrylic spray directly out of the printer
    without bleeding... where a water based solution I have to wait. The
    kirkland photo paper for example I can pour under water directly out of
    the printer and it bleeds only a little bit. I'm thinking 20min would
    be overkill.. I lack an accurate number on this.

    Swellable papers like Kodak Premium Glossy paper a day would not be
    overkill.
     
    zakezuke, Jan 21, 2006
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  3. Jack

    SleeperMan Guest

    Jack wrote:
    > Got myself a new Canon ip5200 printer and printed a bunch of photos on
    > Non-Canon glossy photo paper I had.
    > As I am new to this, I do know and have not found any info on how
    > long I need to let the prints dry before putting them into my photo
    > album. Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?


    Normally 12-24 hours is reccomended. However, Canon Photo paper is designed
    so that ink is dry "on the feel" instantly - because it has sort of ceramic
    micro coat and ink goes under this coat so you have the feeling that it's
    dry, while it's not. So before any spraying or putting into album, better
    wait 'til next day - at the end, what's the rush anyway...no need to tell (i
    hope) that absolute best paper is esential for excellent and long lasting
    results. Best way is to print some photos on canon's best (PR101) and
    compare with other paper you might have, although this will tell you visual
    difference, but not longevity one...

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    SleeperMan, Jan 21, 2006
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  4. Jack

    measekite Guest

    Canon recommends 24 hours before putting them in an Album or behind
    glass. I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford)
    and have found it is about 97% the quality as Canon Photo Paper Pro and
    1/7 of the cost.

    Jack wrote:

    >Got myself a new Canon ip5200 printer and printed a bunch of photos on
    >Non-Canon glossy photo paper I had.
    >As I am new to this, I do know and have not found any info on how long I
    >need to let the prints dry before putting them into my photo album.
    >Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?
    >
    >
    >
    >
     
    measekite, Jan 21, 2006
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  5. Jack

    Prime Guest

    measekite <> posted the exciting message news:iZvAf.14410
    $:

    I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford)

    Sounds like its relabeled. You don't know what it is and they won't tell
    you. Based upon your logic, this is not quality and you shouldn't be using
    it to save money.

    Hahaha!
     
    Prime, Jan 21, 2006
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  6. Jack

    Frank Guest

    Prime wrote:
    > measekite <> posted the exciting message news:iZvAf.14410
    > $:
    >
    > I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford)
    >
    > Sounds like its relabeled. You don't know what it is and they won't tell
    > you. Based upon your logic, this is not quality and you shouldn't be using
    > it to save money.
    >
    > Hahaha!


    Ridiculous huh! That's lying sack-of-shit and his oem bullshit.
    What a total fuckwit loser.
    Frank
     
    Frank, Jan 21, 2006
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  7. Jack

    Prime Guest

    Frank <> posted the exciting message
    news:i3yAf.11297$eR.3696@fed1read03:

    > Prime wrote:
    >> measekite <> posted the exciting message
    >> news:iZvAf.14410 $:
    >>
    >> I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford)
    >>
    >> Sounds like its relabeled. You don't know what it is and they won't
    >> tell you. Based upon your logic, this is not quality and you
    >> shouldn't be using it to save money.
    >>
    >> Hahaha!

    >
    > Ridiculous huh! That's lying sack-of-shit and his oem bullshit.
    > What a total fuckwit loser.
    > Frank
    >


    You said it very well! "OEM ink is important because it's matched to the
    printer and the paper". And then she goes ahead and uses non-OEM paper!
     
    Prime, Jan 21, 2006
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  8. Jack

    Burt Guest

    "zakezuke" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    >> Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?

    >
    > Depends on the paper, as well as the enviroment. Microporous papers
    > like the premium PR-101... and oddly enough Hammermil indoor sign
    > labels I can spray with a polyacrylic spray directly out of the printer
    > without bleeding... where a water based solution I have to wait. The
    > kirkland photo paper for example I can pour under water directly out of
    > the printer and it bleeds only a little bit. I'm thinking 20min would
    > be overkill.. I lack an accurate number on this.
    >
    > Swellable papers like Kodak Premium Glossy paper a day would not be
    > overkill.


    Zakezuke is right when considering how quickly you can handle prints
    without concern for smearing, sorting, or mailing them. s on what you want
    to do with the prints. Apparently, the dry-to-touch condition of the prints
    when leaving the printer still has some residual moisture that should
    evaporate before framing, however. I have read that even with the so called
    "instant dry" papers, microporous papers like Canon and Kirkland, it would
    be best to leave them out for 24 hours before framing them as any residual
    moisture could condense on the glass.
     
    Burt, Jan 21, 2006
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  9. Jack

    Al Rudderham Guest

    On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:09:32 -0500, "Jack" <> wrote:

    >Got myself a new Canon ip5200 printer and printed a bunch of photos on
    >Non-Canon glossy photo paper I had.
    >As I am new to this, I do know and have not found any info on how long I
    >need to let the prints dry before putting them into my photo album.
    >Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?


    Let me guess - it's Kodak paper, right? If so, pitch it in the trash.

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    Al Rudderham, Jan 22, 2006
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  10. Jack

    Ron Shaw Guest

    In article <iZvAf.14410$>,
    says...
    > Canon recommends 24 hours before putting them in an Album or behind
    > glass. I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford)
    > and have found it is about 97% the quality as Canon Photo Paper Pro and
    > 1/7 of the cost.
    >

    Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by refilling
    cartridges with aftermarket ink.
     
    Ron Shaw, Jan 22, 2006
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  11. Jack

    measekite Guest

    Ron Shaw wrote:

    >In article <iZvAf.14410$>,
    > says...
    >
    >
    >>Canon recommends 24 hours before putting them in an Album or behind
    >>glass. I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford)
    >>and have found it is about 97% the quality as Canon Photo Paper Pro and
    >>1/7 of the cost.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by refilling
    >cartridges with aftermarket ink.
    >
    >

    NO NOT AT ALL. NO MESS. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. IT WILL NOT
    CLOG THE PRINTER. AND YOU HAVE A LARGE REPUTABLE SUPPLIER.
     
    measekite, Jan 22, 2006
    #11
  12. Jack

    Zitty Guest

    "measekite" <> wrote in message
    news:CdOAf.12945$...
    >
    >
    > Ron Shaw wrote:
    >
    >>In article <iZvAf.14410$>,
    >> says...
    >>
    >>>Canon recommends 24 hours before putting them in an Album or behind
    >>>glass. I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford) and
    >>>have found it is about 97% the quality as Canon Photo Paper Pro and 1/7
    >>>of the cost.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by refilling
    >>cartridges with aftermarket ink.
    >>

    > NO NOT AT ALL. NO MESS. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING.

    No you don't. The supplier could be Ilford on week, or it could be el-cheapo
    paper supplies from Abu Dhabi then next.

    > IT WILL NOT CLOG THE PRINTER.

    It could jam it up though, and I've seen laser printers ruined by using
    unsuitable paper even though the paper said "laser" on the box.

    > AND YOU HAVE A LARGE REPUTABLE SUPPLIER.

    and you are still just as full of shit as you were last year when I ventured
    into this group. Good to see somethings never change.
     
    Zitty, Jan 22, 2006
    #12
  13. Jack

    Taliesyn Guest

    measekite wrote:
    >
    >
    > Ron Shaw wrote:
    >
    >> In article <iZvAf.14410$>,
    >> says...
    >>
    >>
    >>> Canon recommends 24 hours before putting them in an Album or behind
    >>> glass. I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford)
    >>> and have found it is about 97% the quality as Canon Photo Paper Pro
    >>> and 1/7 of the cost.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by refilling
    >> cartridges with aftermarket ink.
    >>
    >>

    > NO NOT AT ALL.



    NO MESS.

    I refill; there is no mess, there never has been. You're a compulsive
    liar.

    You don't refill; so naturally, you're totally clueless as to its
    simplicity. Go back to school.

    YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING.

    Neither of us knows what we are getting (the ingredients are never
    listed on the package). We're equally relying on the company to
    provide us with safe, good ink. And after using my non-OEM ink for a
    year, I'm very happy with what I'm getting (as you are, of course!) -
    except I'm getting it at a mere fraction (a pittance) of what you're
    paying. Go back to school and do the math. Oh, also take a logic course.

    IT WILL NOT CLOG THE PRINTER.

    It does not clog the printer. It never has. That's an outright lie by
    you. Go back to school, you skipped the part about lying in class. If
    you don't know something, don't talk like you do. People will think
    you're a fool (THINK????...). Talk of your experiences. Ah, but you have
    none.... (Guess what they're thinking?)

    You make an extremely poor research analyst. A dismal failure.

    AND YOU HAVE A LARGE REPUTABLE SUPPLIER.

    Then we both got what we wanted. And I have a small, personal reputable
    supplier. That wrote me several emails after my purchases. Funny, I
    didn't get any personal emails from Canon after I bought several
    printers. It's like they don't even know me! :) Call them up for
    service and they interrogate you like you're some sort of criminal. Any
    wonder why people turn to small, friendly suppliers with personal service.

    Yup, Ron Shaw (above poster) is absolutely correct, the savings are
    enormous. You, on the other hand are sucking spent air, as usual. Go
    back to school; you're an undergraduate in inkjet printing. Come back
    (I hesitate to use those words) when you learn the abc's of economics
    and printer inks.

    -Taliesyn
     
    Taliesyn, Jan 22, 2006
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  14. Jack

    measekite Guest

    Taliesyn wrote:

    > measekite wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> Ron Shaw wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <iZvAf.14410$>,
    >>> says...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Canon recommends 24 hours before putting them in an Album or behind
    >>>> glass. I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be
    >>>> Ilford) and have found it is about 97% the quality as Canon Photo
    >>>> Paper Pro and 1/7 of the cost.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by
    >>> refilling cartridges with aftermarket ink.
    >>>
    >>>

    >> NO NOT AT ALL.

    >
    >
    >
    > NO MESS.


    A REAL MESS

    >
    > I refill; there is no mess, there never has been. You're a compulsive
    > liar.


    YOU ARE A COMPULSIVE LIAR

    >
    > You don't refill; so naturally, you're totally clueless as to its
    > simplicity. Go back to school.


    YOU NEVER GRADUATED

    >
    > YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING.
    >
    > Neither of us knows what we are getting (the ingredients are never
    > listed on the package). We're equally relying on the company to


    THAT WHY YOU SHOULD GRADUATE

    > provide us with safe, good ink. And after using my non-OEM ink for a
    > year, I'm very happy with what I'm getting (as you are, of course!) -
    > except I'm getting it at a mere fraction (a pittance) of what you're
    > paying. Go back to school and do the math. Oh, also take a logic course.
    >
    > IT WILL NOT CLOG THE PRINTER.


    IT WILL CLOG THE PRINTER

    >
    > It does not clog the printer. It never has. That's an outright lie by
    > you.


    THATS AN OUTRIGHT TRUTH

    > Go back to school,


    YOU NEVER GRADUATED

    > you skipped the part about lying in class. If
    > you don't know something, don't talk like you do. People will think
    > you're a fool (THINK????...). Talk of your experiences. Ah, but you have
    > none.... (Guess what they're thinking?)
    >
    > You make an extremely poor research analyst. A dismal failure.
    >
    > AND YOU HAVE A LARGE REPUTABLE SUPPLIER.
    >
    > Then we both got what we wanted. And I have a small, personal reputable
    > supplier.


    DOES NOT EXIST

    > That wrote me several emails after my purchases. Funny, I
    > didn't get any personal emails from Canon after I bought several
    > printers. It's like they don't even know me! :) Call them up for
    > service and they interrogate you like you're some sort of criminal. Any
    > wonder why people turn to small, friendly suppliers with personal
    > service.
    >
    > Yup, Ron Shaw (above poster) is absolutely correct, the savings are
    > enormous. You, on the other hand are sucking spent air, as usual. Go
    > back to school; you're an undergraduate in inkjet printing. Come back
    > (I hesitate to use those words) when you learn the abc's of economics
    > and printer inks.
    >
    > -Taliesyn
     
    measekite, Jan 23, 2006
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  15. Jack

    measekite Guest

    Zitty wrote:

    >"measekite" <> wrote in message
    >news:CdOAf.12945$...
    >
    >
    >>Ron Shaw wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>In article <iZvAf.14410$>,
    >>> says...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>Canon recommends 24 hours before putting them in an Album or behind
    >>>>glass. I use Costco/Kirkland Full Sheet Glossy paper (may be Ilford) and
    >>>>have found it is about 97% the quality as Canon Photo Paper Pro and 1/7
    >>>>of the cost.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by refilling
    >>>cartridges with aftermarket ink.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>NO NOT AT ALL. NO MESS. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING.
    >>
    >>

    >No you don't. The supplier could be Ilford on week, or it could be el-cheapo
    >paper supplies from Abu Dhabi then next.
    >
    >
    >

    A REMOTE POSSIBILITY WITH COSTCO

    >>IT WILL NOT CLOG THE PRINTER.
    >>
    >>

    >It could jam it up though, and I've seen laser printers ruined by using
    >unsuitable paper even though the paper said "laser" on the box.
    >
    >

    NOT A LASER

    >
    >
    >>AND YOU HAVE A LARGE REPUTABLE SUPPLIER.
    >>
    >>

    >and you are still just as full of shit as you were last year when I ventured
    >into this group. Good to see somethings never change.
    >
    >

    THEN YOU CAN VENTURE SOME PLACE ELSE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR.

    >
    >
    >
     
    measekite, Jan 23, 2006
    #15
  16. Jack

    Ron Shaw Guest

    In article <CdOAf.12945$>,
    says...
    >
    >
    > Ron Shaw wrote:
    >
    > >Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by refilling
    > >cartridges with aftermarket ink.
    > >
    > >

    > NO NOT AT ALL. NO MESS. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. IT WILL NOT
    > CLOG THE PRINTER. AND YOU HAVE A LARGE REPUTABLE SUPPLIER.
    >

    But, as you point out for ink, Costco doesn't tell you who their
    supplier is, Kirkland, is by your perverse definition "NOT A BRAND" and
    they are "in da business" (excuse me, I meant to say "DEY ARE IN DA
    BUSINESS") whatever tf that is supposed to mean.
     
    Ron Shaw, Jan 23, 2006
    #16
  17. You are assuming that because it doesn't bleed it is "dry", and this
    isn't accurate. Microporus papers lock the ink in under the ceramic
    layer into the layers of substrate below the porous layer, but that
    doesn't make them dry.

    Most, if not all inkjet inks contain some glycols to both slow drying
    (to help prevent clogs) and to help them penetrate the surface (they
    break up surface tension). Glycols can take weeks to dry. If you seal
    a print before the glycols have evaporated they can get caught inside
    the paper, because the back of most inkjet paper isn't porous (there is
    often a plastic surface somewhere on the backing either right at the
    surface, or under all the top surface surfaces.


    People who, for instance, frame images soon after printer on microporous
    papers, often find a ghostly copy of the image developing on the inside
    glass surface, made of evaporated and redeposited glycols. This is
    particularly the case with high glycol inks, Epson Ultrachrome are one
    example.

    In the case of those inks, up to a week covered with absorbent newsprint
    is recommended.

    Art


    zakezuke wrote:

    >> Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?

    >
    >
    > Depends on the paper, as well as the enviroment. Microporous papers
    > like the premium PR-101... and oddly enough Hammermil indoor sign
    > labels I can spray with a polyacrylic spray directly out of the printer
    > without bleeding... where a water based solution I have to wait. The
    > kirkland photo paper for example I can pour under water directly out of
    > the printer and it bleeds only a little bit. I'm thinking 20min would
    > be overkill.. I lack an accurate number on this.
    >
    > Swellable papers like Kodak Premium Glossy paper a day would not be
    > overkill.
    >
     
    Arthur Entlich, Jan 23, 2006
    #17
  18. Kodak makes swellable polymer papers. It is a valid technology, and the
    advantage is it locks the inks in place better so they do not fade as
    easily. The difference in fading can be significant, and since some
    Canon inks are relatively fugitive, this can be important.

    The downside is this type of paper takes longer to dry (surface dry),
    and remains vulnerable to fingerprints and water/moisture.

    Art

    Al Rudderham wrote:

    > On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:09:32 -0500, "Jack" <> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Got myself a new Canon ip5200 printer and printed a bunch of photos on
    >>Non-Canon glossy photo paper I had.
    >>As I am new to this, I do know and have not found any info on how long I
    >>need to let the prints dry before putting them into my photo album.
    >>Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?

    >
    >
    > Let me guess - it's Kodak paper, right? If so, pitch it in the trash.
    >
     
    Arthur Entlich, Jan 23, 2006
    #18
  19. Jack

    measekite Guest

    Arthur Entlich wrote:

    > Kodak makes swellable polymer papers. It is a valid technology, and
    > the advantage is it locks the inks in place better so they do not fade
    > as easily. The difference in fading can be significant, and since
    > some Canon inks are relatively fugitive, this can be important.
    >
    > The downside is this type of paper takes longer to dry (surface dry),
    > and remains vulnerable to fingerprints and water/moisture.


    KODAK IS NOT RECOMMENDED ON CANON PRINTERS. IT DOES A POOR JOB. I USE
    COSTCO/KIRKLAND AND I HAVE HAD NO FADING PROBLEMS IN OVER A YEAR.

    >
    > Art
    >
    > Al Rudderham wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 05:09:32 -0500, "Jack" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Got myself a new Canon ip5200 printer and printed a bunch of photos
    >>> on Non-Canon glossy photo paper I had.
    >>> As I am new to this, I do know and have not found any info on how
    >>> long I need to let the prints dry before putting them into my photo
    >>> album.
    >>> Can anyone tell me how long I need to wait?

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Let me guess - it's Kodak paper, right? If so, pitch it in the trash.
    >>
     
    measekite, Jan 23, 2006
    #19
  20. Jack

    measekite Guest

    Ron Shaw wrote:

    >In article <CdOAf.12945$>,
    > says...
    >
    >
    >>Ron Shaw wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>Similar to the savings (although less than) you would get by refilling
    >>>cartridges with aftermarket ink.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>NO NOT AT ALL. NO MESS. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING. IT WILL NOT
    >>CLOG THE PRINTER. AND YOU HAVE A LARGE REPUTABLE SUPPLIER.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >But, as you point out for ink, Costco doesn't tell you who their
    >supplier is, Kirkland,
    >

    YOU ARE WELCOME TO CALL THE MERCHANDISING DEPARTMENT IN SEATTLE AND THEY
    WILL TELL YOU.

    >is by your perverse definition "NOT A BRAND" and
    >
    >

    COSTCO IS LARGE ENOUGH SO THAT IT IS A STORE PRIVATE BRAND. STAPLES AND
    OFFICE DEPOT ARE IN THE SAME POSITION. THEN YOU CAN DIFFERENTIATE
    BETWEEN A MFG BRAND AND A STORE BRAND. YOU COULD EVEN SAY THE SAME
    THING ABOUT WALMART WHICH I THINK IS A TERRIBLE STORE.

    >they are "in da business" (excuse me, I meant to say "DEY ARE IN DA
    >BUSINESS") whatever tf that is supposed to mean.
    >
    >

    AND YOU ARE IN DA STUPID BUSINESS. AND I DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO HELP YOU.
     
    measekite, Jan 23, 2006
    #20
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